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defining a variable for each element

Posted 15.05.2012, 06:47 GMT-4 Heat Transfer & Phase Change, Parameters, Variables, & Functions Version 4.2a 5 Replies

Hirendra Choudhary
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hi ,
i would like to know how can i define a variable (which i am using in calculating other properties of the material) such that it is solved for each element separately ?
Right now what COMSOL does is solve for a time step and use that value to calculate material properties for all elements together , whereas i would like COMSOL to solve that variable for all elements differently (much like temperature in heat transfer) in each time step.

- Hirendra
5 Replies Last Post 18.05.2012, 03:55 GMT-4
Ivar KJELBERG COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted: 1 decade ago 15.05.2012, 08:19 GMT-4
Hi

I'm not sure I catch you correctly but with COMSOL, most variables are fields defined per f(x,y,z,t), only global variables (integrated over dx,dy,dz hence only F(t)), are available everywhere.

but perhaps you are looking for a custom defined dependent variable, in chich case you must add a ODE or a weak expression

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Ivar
Hi I'm not sure I catch you correctly but with COMSOL, most variables are fields defined per f(x,y,z,t), only global variables (integrated over dx,dy,dz hence only F(t)), are available everywhere. but perhaps you are looking for a custom defined dependent variable, in chich case you must add a ODE or a weak expression -- Good luck Ivar
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Posted: 1 decade ago 17.05.2012, 06:10 GMT-4
hi Ivar ,
i have tried doing that , i added a PDE(c) defining 'u' such that du/dt = (T>=T_vap) and then used this variable 'u' to calculate material properties for example Cp_steel*(u==0)+Cp_air*(u>0) , but as soon as u>0 (initial value of u was 0 ) , the material property for every element became the same which i don't want . I want that u should be calculated at every node just like Temperature.
i hope i am able to explain my problem.
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hi Ivar , i have tried doing that , i added a PDE(c) defining 'u' such that du/dt = (T>=T_vap) and then used this variable 'u' to calculate material properties for example Cp_steel*(u==0)+Cp_air*(u>0) , but as soon as u>0 (initial value of u was 0 ) , the material property for every element became the same which i don't want . I want that u should be calculated at every node just like Temperature. i hope i am able to explain my problem. - Hirendra
Ivar KJELBERG COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted: 1 decade ago 17.05.2012, 07:44 GMT-4
Hi

still I do not catch your formulas, probably because for me "u" is a reserved variable name of COMSOL for solid and CFD and other physics. You should try to avoid all single letter variable nemaes, most are already used by COMSOL

Then you must define the PDE as a domain equation and not a global equation, your variable should be a field u(x,y,z,t) and not just u(t)


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Ivar
Hi still I do not catch your formulas, probably because for me "u" is a reserved variable name of COMSOL for solid and CFD and other physics. You should try to avoid all single letter variable nemaes, most are already used by COMSOL Then you must define the PDE as a domain equation and not a global equation, your variable should be a field u(x,y,z,t) and not just u(t) -- Good luck Ivar
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Posted: 1 decade ago 18.05.2012, 01:50 GMT-4
Thanks a lot Ivar :) after using domain ODE i got the results .
I would like to know how can i make my problem converge faster , any tips ?

Thanks once again
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Thanks a lot Ivar :) after using domain ODE i got the results . I would like to know how can i make my problem converge faster , any tips ? Thanks once again - Hirendra
Ivar KJELBERG COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted: 1 decade ago 18.05.2012, 03:55 GMT-4
Hi

often by starting with initial value closer to the result, the solver gets their quicker, but its a type of chicken an egg loop

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Ivar
Hi often by starting with initial value closer to the result, the solver gets their quicker, but its a type of chicken an egg loop -- Good luck Ivar

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