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Time step dependent on a variable

Posted 04.10.2019, 03:41 GMT-4 Parameters, Variables, & Functions, Results & Visualization, Studies & Solvers Version 5.4 4 Replies

Stefanie Walter
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Hello, I am currently dealing withabout the storage of time steps in time-dependent simulations. In my model, charging and uncharging processes occur. The beginning and end of the phases are controlled by the "event" physics and depend on the value of a variable. Unfortunately, the duration of the phases differs (the charging phase are about 1h, the discharging about 1min). For this reason, the time-dependent solver only works if I specify a small maximum time step of 20 seconds.As a result, the calculation takes much longer than it should and unnecessary data is stored.

Is there therefore a way to set up the time steps to be saved/calculated depending on a variable?

Thanks Stefanie

4 Replies Last Post 07.10.2019, 14:57 GMT-4
Edgar J. Kaiser Certified Consultant
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Posted: 5 years ago 04.10.2019, 06:11 GMT-4

Stefanie,

you may consider to run two time dependent study steps in a sequence with adapted time stepping settings. The second step taking the result of the first step as the initial condition.

Cheers Edgar

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Edgar J. Kaiser
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Stefanie, you may consider to run two time dependent study steps in a sequence with adapted time stepping settings. The second step taking the result of the first step as the initial condition. Cheers Edgar
Henrik Sönnerlind COMSOL Employee

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Posted: 5 years ago 04.10.2019, 09:27 GMT-4
Updated: 5 years ago 04.10.2019, 09:32 GMT-4

Hi,

Maybe you can use Maximum step constraint = Expression and Times to store = Steps taken by solver

As expression you use something related to the expression that triggers the event. A potential problem is that if the solver takes very small time steps somewhere for numerical reasons, you can get a lot of solutions stored.

If the amount of data you generate is a problem, take a look at Store time derivatives, Store reaction forces, and maybe even not storing results for the whole model (Store fields in ouput)

Regards,
Henrik

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Henrik Sönnerlind
COMSOL
Hi, Maybe you can use **Maximum step constraint** = **Expression** and **Times to store** = **Steps taken by solver** As *expression* you use something related to the expression that triggers the event. A potential problem is that if the solver takes very small time steps somewhere for numerical reasons, you can get a lot of solutions stored. If the amount of data you generate is a problem, take a look at **Store time derivatives**, **Store reaction forces**, and maybe even not storing results for the whole model (**Store fields in ouput**) Regards, Henrik
Stefanie Walter
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Posted: 5 years ago 07.10.2019, 02:45 GMT-4

Thank you both,

to separate the simulation in multiple steps was not possible, because the time steps respectively the end time do not change during the step.

To use an expression as an maximum step has speeded up the simulation by a factor of 2.5. But the stored time steps is almost the same due to very small time steps when switching between the processes. My main problem here is not the memory space (the models are about 2GB large), but that the evaluation with derived values. This takes more than half an hour due to several integrations over the entire model.

Would it be possible to keep the "Steps taken by solver" setting, but to define a minimum time step to be stored?

Regards Stefanie

Thank you both, to separate the simulation in multiple steps was not possible, because the time steps respectively the end time do not change during the step. To use an expression as an maximum step has speeded up the simulation by a factor of 2.5. But the stored time steps is almost the same due to very small time steps when switching between the processes. My main problem here is not the memory space (the models are about 2GB large), but that the evaluation with derived values. This takes more than half an hour due to several integrations over the entire model. Would it be possible to keep the "Steps taken by solver" setting, but to define a minimum time step to be stored? Regards Stefanie
Henrik Sönnerlind COMSOL Employee

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Posted: 5 years ago 07.10.2019, 14:57 GMT-4

Hi Stefanie,

If you have a reasonable idea about when the event is triggered, you can use Times to store = Specified values and then use two range expressions for the time step, like

range(0, long_step, it_will_soon_happen) range(it_will_soon_happen + short_step, short_step, end_time)

Regards,
Henrik

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Henrik Sönnerlind
COMSOL
Hi Stefanie, If you have a reasonable idea about when the event is triggered, you can use **Times to store** = **Specified values** and then use two range expressions for the time step, like range(0, long_step, it_will_soon_happen) range(it_will_soon_happen + short_step, short_step, end_time) Regards, Henrik

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