Sergei Yushanov
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Posted:
6 years ago
11.07.2018, 10:07 GMT-4
Achyut,
To solve this type of the problem you should use two (emw) physics interfaces: first (emw) physics solves for the background field in the air+Si substrate without particle using Full field formulation, the secon (emw) physics solves scattering problem using Scattered field formulation with background field taken from from the first (emw) physics. This approach is described in details here:
https://www.comsol.com/model/scatterer-on-substrate-14699
Regards,
Sergei
Achyut,
To solve this type of the problem you should use two (emw) physics interfaces: first (emw) physics solves for the background field in the air+Si substrate without particle using Full field formulation, the secon (emw) physics solves scattering problem using Scattered field formulation with background field taken from from the first (emw) physics. This approach is described in details here:
https://www.comsol.com/model/scatterer-on-substrate-14699
Regards,
Sergei
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Posted:
6 years ago
11.07.2018, 13:00 GMT-4
Dear Sergei ,
Thank you very much for your promt and insightful reply. I was trying to build my modelling using the above mentioned link. But to run this example it requires the wave optics module what we do not have. Can we run such type of example RF module? Or is it possible to modify the example for RF module? Eagerly waiting for your reply.
With best regards
Achyut
Dear Sergei ,
Thank you very much for your promt and insightful reply. I was trying to build my modelling using the above mentioned link. But to run this example it requires the **wave optics module** what we do not have. Can we run such type of example **RF module**? Or is it possible to modify the example for RF module? Eagerly waiting for your reply.
With best regards
Achyut
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Posted:
6 years ago
12.07.2018, 08:17 GMT-4
Achyut,
You don't need to have Wave Optics module to set up this problem. Functionality of (emw) is almost the same as (ewfd). There is slight difference in the default setup: (emw) default dielectric properties are defined in terms of relative permittivity, while (ewfd) default properties are defined in terms of refractive index.
You can safely follow step by step instructions to create this model in RF.
Regards,
Sergei
Achyut,
You don't need to have Wave Optics module to set up this problem. Functionality of (emw) is almost the same as (ewfd). There is slight difference in the default setup: (emw) default dielectric properties are defined in terms of relative permittivity, while (ewfd) default properties are defined in terms of refractive index.
You can safely follow step by step instructions to create this model in RF.
Regards,
Sergei
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Posted:
6 years ago
15.07.2018, 03:49 GMT-4
Hello Sergei,
Thank you very much for your reply. I have tried to build up the the modeling using the pervious example. The new .mph file is attached here for your kind perusal. It is still not working. Now it is showing an error messege:
***Failed to find a solution.
Singular matrix.
For mesh-case 0 there are 10456 void equations (empty rows in matrix) for the variable comp1.E210.
at coordinates: (-3.21429e-007,-4.75e-007,-3.25e-007), (-3.21429e-007,-5e-007,-3.25e-007), (-2.67857e-007,-4.75e-007,-3.25e-007), (-2.67857e-007,-5e-007,-3.25e-007), (-3.21429e-007,-4.5e-007,-3.5e-007), ...
and similarly for the degrees of freedom (empty columns in matrix).
Returned solution is not converged.
Not all parameter steps returned.
I can not find out the issue. Can you please help me to solve the problem?
Hello Sergei,
Thank you very much for your reply. I have tried to build up the the modeling using the pervious example. The new .mph file is attached here for your kind perusal. It is still not working. Now it is showing an error messege:
***Failed to find a solution.
Singular matrix.
For mesh-case 0 there are 10456 void equations (empty rows in matrix) for the variable comp1.E210.
at coordinates: (-3.21429e-007,-4.75e-007,-3.25e-007), (-3.21429e-007,-5e-007,-3.25e-007), (-2.67857e-007,-4.75e-007,-3.25e-007), (-2.67857e-007,-5e-007,-3.25e-007), (-3.21429e-007,-4.5e-007,-3.5e-007), ...
and similarly for the degrees of freedom (empty columns in matrix).
Returned solution is not converged.
Not all parameter steps returned.
***
I can not find out the issue. Can you please help me to solve the problem?
Sergei Yushanov
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Posted:
6 years ago
16.07.2018, 08:57 GMT-4
Achyut,
There are several issues with your setup: PML references wrhong physics, Port 2 has wrong refractive index, setup for Periodic Conditions is valid for normal incidence only, wavelength is not propertly resolved in the substrate. Attached model is running without errors. However, I didn't try to check results.
General advise would be to start with reproducing tutorial model, make sure you are getting consistent results and comfortable with model setup. Only after that you can move on by changing geometry and materials to get solution of your problem.
Regards,
Sergei
Achyut,
There are several issues with your setup: PML references wrhong physics, Port 2 has wrong refractive index, setup for Periodic Conditions is valid for normal incidence only, wavelength is not propertly resolved in the substrate. Attached model is running without errors. However, I didn't try to check results.
General advise would be to start with reproducing tutorial model, make sure you are getting consistent results and comfortable with model setup. Only after that you can move on by changing geometry and materials to get solution of your problem.
Regards,
Sergei
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Posted:
6 years ago
22.07.2018, 05:09 GMT-4
Dear Sergei
Thanks a ton for your enormous help. It is running. But still I am not able to find the sacttering response from the sample. I think now I can solve it. But I have only a question regarding to the modelling that you have sent to me last week. actually you have defined a parameter namely, "nel=6" in the parameter section and then redefine the mesh size using this parameter. Can you please discuss what is the underlaying concept of taking this parameter? and how do you put the numerical value upto 6? It will help me lots.
thank again for your continous support and help.
With best regards
Achyut
Dear Sergei
Thanks a ton for your enormous help. It is running. But still I am not able to find the sacttering response from the sample. I think now I can solve it. But I have only a question regarding to the modelling that you have sent to me last week. actually you have defined a parameter namely, "nel=6" in the parameter section and then redefine the mesh size using this parameter. Can you please discuss what is the underlaying concept of taking this parameter? and how do you put the numerical value upto 6? It will help me lots.
thank again for your continous support and help.
With best regards
Achyut
Sergei Yushanov
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Posted:
6 years ago
23.07.2018, 08:06 GMT-4
Achyut,
To resolve wavelength you have to have at least 5-6 second order elements per wavelength. Wavelength depends on frequency and local material properties. In your case, substrate has large refractive index (n=3.4), meaning that mesh in the substrate should have at least 6*3.4=20 elements per wavelength.
Regards,
Sergei
Achyut,
To resolve wavelength you have to have at least 5-6 second order elements per wavelength. Wavelength depends on frequency and local material properties. In your case, substrate has large refractive index (n=3.4), meaning that mesh in the substrate should have at least 6*3.4=20 elements per wavelength.
Regards,
Sergei